So everything a Darkseid emanation can do scales to the True Darkseid, but to a larger degree. Since at the start of the Inza Nelson Fate run DS was casually dictating terms to all the Lords of Order and Chaos I'd say him facing one would be simple victory. It was ended when Green Arrow put an arrow through the book of power of the ancient mage. Battle 8. We always hear about all the awesome stuff they can do but rarely do they use it when it would come in handy. Dr Fate once avoided a simultaneous attack from not only superman but also martian manhunter. I already pointed out that the fever had been with him for sometime. His everlasting goal is the utter domination and enslavement of all life in creation, when all is ordered according to his will. ). the level of power a mortal can use without a talisman in DC is always limited. @DcMarvelUnity: Helm of Nabu is supposed to be superbad. For the next few pages he was being trounced by parrademons and then DS again. The 1st. Darkseid already fought not one but two Fates in Fate's own book and won (no, I don't count them stunning him with the power of love as a win). So, Dr. Gender: Male Location: United States. I think Dr. Created by MoNsTeR. Yeah, dude as I was saying earlier I never said Fate would win, just perhaps give him a rough time for a while. Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate vs Trigon & Darkseid. The only reason they feign a surrender is because he shows them an essentially endless army of parademons, and points out that he can just keep sending wave after wave of them at the Fates until they are just overwhelmed. A Darkseid doppleganger has already defeated not one but two Dr fates and they couldn't prevail. Superhero battle match: Darkseid (New 52) versus Doctor Fate. Email to friends Share on Facebook - opens in a new window or tab Share on Twitter - opens in a new window or tab Share on Pinterest - … Scan 3: Text states that Darkseid is "stunned" and "shaken," and views her as a threat. The real Darkseid has dictated terms to the combined Lords of Order and Chaos (of which Fate is but 1). Pre COIE it was a thing in DC that a mage couldn't use a host and work magic unless the host could work magic. DP's healing is a big advantage but DS is usually a much better fighter. Also when the presence was "missing" Spectre was being coy around DS because he feared what he might do if he was aware that the highest power was nowhere to be found. Like Batman said, if you need Darkseid taken care of use this phone number and call in Dr.Fate. Didn't Darkseid defeat Dr. He is shot 3 times. Defeating a never before heard from demon ( and never heard again) defeating Lady Blaze, and bringing a soul back from the afterlife ( which by all accounts almost killed him, and Inza Fate accomplished the same with Consummate ease). @Freefa11: Didn't realize it was Nelson,thought it was just Fate. If a more powerful, more experienced version of fate couldn't defeat an underling of Darkseid ( and they couldn't they convinced him to have mercy on them- =/= a win) and his lowly para demons, how is Kent V supposed to?? Random encounter, no knowledge, no outside help. Marvel Vs DC: The 25 Most Powerful Gods Officially Ranked. It was only by doing so that he was able to defeat two gods of equal power to him. he's also a Dr fate fan but a Darkseid one as well so he'd be the most informed on both and the least biased. Fate Although, what I find more confusing about your statement about him living for a while afterwards is that he's actually dead at the end of the issue, killed by a spear to the side, and he even has a grave and tombstone in the next issue, and Linda goes to the after life to talk to his spirit. Faust was taken over by a powerful mystic (stated as a said the reason he waited for someone like Faust). Kent V is by far the weakest version of Fate, Post Crisis versions of both results in Darkseid winning. Trust me as someone who's collection is only missing about 7 of Dr Fates appearances (that includes golden Age with heaps of more fun comics and All Star). During the Straus Fate run. Though the Helm compels Kent to preserve this grim fate for the sake of Order, Kent’s humanity compels him to intervene on behalf of his heroic friends—and risk the unforeseeable consequenc… 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others 5 Discussions Darkseid is one of the most powerful New Gods and the tyrannical ruler of Apokolips, an archetypal world beyond the boundaries of time and space. That version of Fate would defeat DS no question. I think there may be some confusion here. He may not win, but given what I've seen when both went up against Spectre, clearly Nabu gave him a much harder time then Darkseid did. Never said she hurt him. If you look at for example Dr Strange defeating Shuma-Gorath he did so by drawing on the power of the realms of his enemy. @DcMarvelUnity: 1.Helm of Naboo is supposed to be superbad.2. They did not seem connected to me. In comics, a doppleganger (Desaad) of Darkseid has already defeated not … Kent only has minimal memories of his actions as Fate. Didn't Nabu go the distance for a while with Spectre? There was a perfect example of this in one of Felix Faust early appearances. Darkseid also has a lot of powers. Fate, The Spectre, or Morpheus. BTW, king saturn, that's the best AV ever. Basically, based purely on what it is supposedly capable of, he is like superman with Dr Strange powers and some martian manhunter skills as well. According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars, to draw the power through themselves would mean their destruction. I would lean towards Darksied but I would love to hear some experienced opinion's on this one. Sign Up Login. In all versions he can raise the dead, animate objects, warp reality etc. =), just ask beatbox, he was the one owning this thread anyway. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > Dr. Jul 10, 2014 - Original Comic Art titled DARKSEID VS HAWKMAN AND DR FATE, located in GREEN's GREEN LANTERN 76 Comic Art Gallery (881523) Superman. Lords of Magic like Dr.Fate and Mordru regularly humiliate large teams Darkseid would be hard-pressed to even take on, much less trash. It didn't help Secret. If anything, it should lead to the conclusion that people should simply stop bringing up this battle because it is irrelevant; neither Fate was Kent Nelson, one was a dying, one was a half-powered rookie, they weren't fighting Darkseid anyway, just Desaad, and they won. Deadpool Vs Deathstroke. Doctor Fate Vs Superman And Martian Manhunter! They often appear in stories with DC's supernatural heroes, such as Dr. Yeah, one of those things where I guess depending on the host and story determines who has more control or power I suppose. Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate vs Darkseid & Thanos # Doctor Strange (Classic) & Doctor Fate He destroyed the in-betweener, beat Eternity and became one with him, he could Handel zom when zom was waaay above Dormammu, he deflected a … No, Fate can not defeat Darkseid. However, some believe that all Fate need do is show up and that’s it. Your comments on Nabu vs. Spectre were at the beginning of your post. Random encounter, no knowledge, no outside help. But these have never been powers of the Helm at all. It is mentioned several times that if only one of them becomes Fate at a time, they are a much weaker Fate than they should be, but I guess that is a relative statement. That's correct "in training". Exactly which scan shows Desaad clearly beating them? Dr. Linda hits Darkseid and knocks him over. Fate who are wise and just, this version is bitter, cynical and has utterly lost faith in humanity and the other heroes, as have the Lords of Fate. Just about everything you mentioned was addressed. Darkseid gets owned by the all-father who then proceeds to destroy Strange with the help of fate. He is the only one on a par with Classic Dr Strange. He does not personally subdue or harm them. Darkseid can easily defeat Dr Fate. When Karkull returned, Fate realized that no matter how hard he tried, evil would never give up, and he abandoned the fight. These two titans of DC UNIVERSE, were being brainwashed by Darkseid, to attack Dr Fate. There are Two versions of Dr fate with the name Kent Nelson. In the same issue he manhandled Nabu (who at the time was in the original Kent Nelson's body and called himself Kent, not really a major feat Nabu in a mortal host was always pretty limited). ... 25 Darkseid (DC) Jack Kirby invented the evil tyrant Darkseid nearly 50 years ago, and the villain still remains a fan-favorite today. You are indeed where you belong. As has been shown Odin is in another league above darkseid and Fate is around equal to strange. he also had the ability to do minor spells and levitate things. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! DS was well in control and Fate pulled out a plot win by making DS feel mercy ( retconed to later not be DS). Fate - Respect thread. But that still means the helmet CAN provide those tools. Or that's what I always thought, like a bond some what between the host and helmet of nabu. I was simply pointing out that taking a,b,c logic like that you could also show that Spec' couldn't kill DS but he could kill Nabu. Alright, so in my opinion, some characters, notably Dr. Fate is WAY more powerful with the full helm. Characters Battles Teams Super Powers Forum Feed Collections. @beatboks1: I would say the magic level provided by the helm compared to the wearer's innate ability is pretty dang extreme. I only have issues 9-12, so I kind of have to take your word for it. Fate). So basically, before the retcon, we had a PIS low-showing for Darkseid, and after the retcon, we have a PIS high-showing for Desaad. He defeated the demon Karkull a century before the age of Superman. I actually don't know a lot about Dr. Dr. The first one is Linda firing at DS and missing then him almost hitting her and her finally tagging him. The same level that every other Fate has had access to. Its kinda like putting Dr Strange across from certain enemies. The Spectre was prevented from killing Darkseid, of course, but the Spectre operates under different rules from other characters. I'd love to say it was anything but because I had DS and am a Fate fanboy but the facts are the facts. There is also a difference is power. Living Tribunal Vs Spectre. Strange, for example, I'd think he could just teleport away or open a portal home or something (or just turn invisible or intangible). Fate can do those kinds of things (though I could swear he has), but I do think that if you were to start a "Dr. Dr Strange vs Dr Fate- Dr Strange but it would be close fight. Like most incarnations of the DC hero, he is made up of two individuals, a human host, namely Kent Nelson, and the god Nabu. So my point was that a more powerful version of Fate was unable to defeat (without a plot device) one of Darkseid's lackeys mascarading as him. Darkseid is a DLC villain in Injustice 2 and the overarching antagonist of the game. In fact with her time in the merged Fate and access to the entity that is fate she was vastly more experienced. The current Fate isn't nearly as powerful as classic Fate so it seems on what I gather. The only places he could work vast magic in fact. This Kent Nelson has enough knowledge in magic to work powerful spells without the vestments or talismans of fate in areas of power like Stone henge and his Salem tower. To get the real answer to the question @AtPhantom would be the one to ask. Even before the plot device, it was more of a stalemate. On top of that, Erik was already dying, and Linda was explicitly stated to be at half strength (at least for the first part of the battle; looks like they might have changed that after holding hands). Fate, Darkseid's storngest avatars, and others. how she ranks against guys like Green Lantern or Superman or what have you), or what their full abilities are. With magic characters they access power from outside themselves, in some cases also having a certain level of their own inner power. Fate in general is much weaker than I've been lead to believe, Desaad overpowering a Fate (which didn't actually happen here, but I'm just stating hypothetically) would be PIS. Next page, she shoots and hits again. 1 Biography 2 Injustice: Gods Among Us 3 Injustice 2 4 Powers and Abilities 4.1 Special Moves 4.2 Other Moves 4.3 … Fate is generally a symbiosis between Nabu and the host, but at times Nabu has both overridden the host and been subdued and shut down by him. If it were Dr. Classic fate would wipe the floor with him. Everything else about Kent V is simply alluded to in terms of power. The legal owner: WBTV. In the issue prior he defeated Erik (who at that point didn't have a fever) and had him at his mercy. Seems like that happens to a lot of magic characters. All versions have had the power of strength, speed, flight, invulnerability and not aging without the Helm. I think he'd be found wanting. Did not always seem to play out that way in practice though. he can unleash an assault on a level that Dr Fate would need to build up to or entreat others to achieve. She shoots and hits. Like Batman said, if you need Darkseid taken care of use this phone number and call in Dr.Fate. Going intangible might not help against Omega Beams. I suggest you look at the scans again. Of course, it isn't a particularly good showcase of Darkseid's power either, and with it being retconned to Desaad anyway, it loses a lot of its relevance. I do think if Spectre wasn't jobbing and went all out, he could deal with Darkseid if not kill him. Darkseid & Thanos @Bane333 LMFAO, Thanos cucked the in-betweener, Tanked a blast that could kill the entire NEXUS OF ALL REALITIES, escaped the god quarry and ABSORB it's power, the god Quarry created INFINITE infinity stones, each being it's own concept, Thanos tanked blasts that killed off all of marvel including ETERNITY and INFINITY, outsmarted GALACTUS moving galactus to his fate They have been the result of the alterations that the entity Nabu has done on the bodies of the hosts who have worn the helmet. In fact he had those powers before the Helm was given him. ” Doctor Fate is a cameo character in Injustice: Gods Among Us, and a playable character in Injustice 2. Darkseid I Believe That Doctor Fate Could Pull Off Some Pretty Insane Stuff With His Magic, But Personally I Think Darkseid's Omega Beams And Super Strength Would Eventually Overwhelm Fate. 1 History 1.1 Injustice 1.2 Injustice 2 1.3 Arcade Ending 2 … So basically he is a wizard older than than universe itself. The Image in the OP wasn't classic Kent. However, some believe that all Fate need do is show up and that’s it. Darkseid gets knocked down. See, now this is a proper argument involving the proper character. He then trained him for almost 20 years in the ways of ancient sectrest before he had his debut. Bonus round 1: Pre-crisis, bloodlusted Injustice™ 2https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-gb/tid=CUSA05459_00 He … Darkseid did not harm or overpower Linda at all. But you know, both are key characters especially Darkseid as a villian so obviously they won't kill him off. Fate and Spectre were able to stop the universe from being destroyed. The other common assumption to me seems to be that Kent Nelson is kind of viewed as being the quintessential Dr. no mention of the Helm "giving" powers did it. Going by what you're saying, it seems like this would only be true of the Silver Age Nelson, and the post-crisis incarnation is actually much more puny than most people probably think. That they managed to cure or bring him back later isn't at all surprising, but to claim he wasn't dying at the time is like saying Doomsday didn't beat Superman to the brink of death just because he was okay later. Now DS (except Pre COIE) Vs Classic Fate that would be a completely different story. When both Linda or Erik form Fate alone they have the same level of power. Now, I'm not entirely sure just how powerful you are claiming Linda is supposed to be (i.e. Press J to jump to the feed. Though his mortal host Kent Nelson tries to fight back. Though it depends on which Fate we're talking. If Kent Nelson is less experienced than Linda, that's fine. How would the current Fate with less showings less experience and less power fare against the real deal. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Scans 4-6 are the Fates having a hard time fighting off a pack of Parademons. Lords of Magic like Dr.Fate and Mordru regularly humiliate large teams Darkseid would be hard-pressed to even take on, much less trash. 4) The male Dr. When writers want to prolong the story he never unleashes the kind of power we expect of him. Fate was severely ill and dying of fever. DS was about to deliver the finishing blow when Linda Attacked, and his fever began to develop from a parrademon's bite. At different times Fate has done crap that all together would probably own Darkseid but he is an inconsistent character. My whole point in the Spectre thing was in countering an argument given that Nabu fared well against the Spectre so Fate should win against DS. Dr Doom vs Lex Luthor- Lex Luthor . Round 2: Post-crisis, in-character. The closest he comes is summoning a stone hand to grasp her, which she destroys almost immediately. Before Spectre beat him? The female Fate was stated to be at half power, and from what I can tell from the previous issues, was still quite new to being Fate and not particularly masterful or confident in her abilities. 3) That part is irrelevant anyway; Adam Warlock has told Eternity to "begone" to his face... does that mean Adam Warlock is on Eternity's level? Darkseid has rarely faced off against such a super-power and he should be wary because Franklin is a weapon of mass destruction on a mental and physical level. 3rd 4th and 5th scans are from the no/half helmet era. Seriously if we want to talk feats for Kent V Nelson Dr fate vs Darkseid it becomes a slaughter stomp. Anti Monitor Vs Eternity. According to issue 12, Erik had had the fever ever since he "got back from India." @Freefa11: So that means Darkseid wins,and I'm certain Mantis has been able to defeat Fate as well. When his father was killed on doing so he aged Kent to a 20year old and made him super strong/fast, impervious (except his lungs), and made him immune to all disease and never age. I really need to find those issues someday. 2.Incorrect. Thor vs Green Lantern- Thor would win because hes stronger and has a better weapon. Superman went off to fight the demon and was given a magic charm by Inza, who lamented that although she was willi… He was voiced by Michael-Leon Wooley, who voiced the same character in Batman: The Brave and the Bold and Audrey II of the 2003 Broadway revival of Little Shop of Horrors. Desaad is not a powerful character, and unless Dr. To face an alliance between a Lord of chaos Vaneamon and a Lord of Order Ynar Classic Fate merged with his host's wife Inza. he did this to be able to access the power not just of Order (through the Helm of Nabu) or of chaos (through his amulet of Anubis) but also the power of human emotion. It depends. The Tower of Fate was created as a home for the original Doctor Fate and has since been home to Inza and Hector. Extrapolation is fine as long as evidence is provided, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. @entropy_aegis: I really have no idea how you could interpret anything I said as leading to a victory for Darkseid. Fate in late 1987, and the story arc in question was printed late 1989, so two years real time. The same was true with Erik Straus. he had both Fates at his mercy at the end of that issue and they pulled off a win through a plot device of making him feel love and mercy. Citizenbane should know this as well, since I've seen him bring it up before. 5) The biggest problem is that Darkseid/Desaad did not defeat them anyway. Round 3: New52, in-character. Now, I'm not saying Fate should win, I just don't think that this fight is a very good showcase of Fate's power. How, exactly? This is largely basing it on the idea that a fully proficient Fate is at least roughly as learned and competent as Dr. The exact words are "half a Fate... at half power...". Fate. Oh, and from what I hear, It was an avatar of darksied that beat fate and ms fate, the real one spoke on equal terms with the lords of chaos and order themselves to their formless faces...told them to shut up and they did. The Presence was the only thing preventing the Spectre from killing Darkseid; had it not been around to regenerate Darkseid, Spectre would have killed him right there. They can both be affected by strong enough magic. Again, not saying she is "winning" because of this, but he certainly isn't either. So by the time fate would be at DS's level he would have already lost. It was actually retconned into being Desaad, not a doppelganger. Absolutely, which I already covered in the simple line " According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars,". The preceding issues also gave me the impression that Linda was extremely new to being fate, and didn't even particularly want or like it. There are possibly five showings of "classic Fate" that could be considered higher if you exclude the merged Kent Inza ( which is where the whole concept of Erik Linda came from). The tower exists in all realities. The two of them together access the same power to exact levels Kent V does and between them at that point had several times the experience he has. In the case of the Original Nabu altered Kent Nelson turning him from a child to a man and making him never age and giving him the powers. I want more. There is no reason to believe the presence would prevent anyone else from destroying Darkseid. Non magic characters have power to a certain limit and that's it. Fate in sort of the same way that Hal Jordan is viewed as being the quintessential Green Lantern (I'm assuming that's the only reason the OP chose him for this battle, because I really can't see the sense of deliberately choosing a weak version of a character to fight someone like Darkseid). Some of the weaker Fates may be 50/50. Fate vs. Desaad" thread, just about everyone would say Fate stomps. Estacado. Some of those. Darkseid vs Dr. Otherwise, he only attacked once, but missed, while Darkseid himself was shot twice, but didn't seem all that hurt. Unlike previous incarnations of Dr. Do I think Spectre's inability to destroy DS has any bearing on this match ? jesserw21 Senior Member. He has no training and the essence of Nabu hasn't been in the helm since it entered into the body of the late Kent Nelson (original) which was before Erik and Linda were made the "joined" Fate. He is the God of Apokolips and father of his deceased son Kalibak. Yes Nabu has fought the spectre and lasted, as has classic Fate back in All Star Squadron 27 (IIRC) . Darkseid I Believe That Doctor Fate Could Pull Off Some Pretty Insane Stuff With His Magic, But Personally I Think Darkseid's Omega Beams And Super Strength Would Eventually Overwhelm Fate. Fate. Captain America Vs Nightwing. All he did to them was animate a stone hand to grab them, which Linda destroys. In that sense Linda was less than she could be, however this thread has the battle with Current Kent. During the Straus Fate run. He does not attack them in any way after that. In fact, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that he looked okay, but Darkseid missing and then being struck twice does not constitute a victory for him in any way. No, DS does not attack Erik again until he uses the stone hand on both the Fates. Real Darkseid has dictated terms to the LT. battle 7 in practice though mini series to... 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